Comments on: Developer Reactions to the New iPhone 3G S http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/ ... keeping in touch with the latest in iPhone gaming Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:15:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.4 By: JNG http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-24949 JNG Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:08:57 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-24949 Good game glad i bought it, highly recommended. Good game glad i bought it, highly recommended.

]]> By: JNG http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-308523 JNG Wed, 10 Jun 2009 20:08:00 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-308523 Good game glad i bought it, highly recommended. Good game glad i bought it, highly recommended.

]]> By: Flash http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-24920 Flash Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:42:25 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-24920 The issue is not that nVidia may come out with some device later this year, for Apple. The issue is that other SGX platforms are _already_ out there and outperform the existing iPhone. The new 3GS is backwards compatible and the optimizations for the previous gen hardware are very very similar to what helps the new kit. So, in reality, we're getting a next gen platform if devs want to target it _and_ a straight speed bump if they don't want to move to the new API and lose backwards compatiblity. Also consider, that the MBX GPU in the previous phones is the bottom level tech from powervr and was already a few years old when the iPhone came out. Now that Apple have tested the water with this it's clear that they want the latest and greatest to move forward. The issue is not that nVidia may come out with some device later this year, for Apple. The issue is that other SGX platforms are _already_ out there and outperform the existing iPhone. The new 3GS is backwards compatible and the optimizations for the previous gen hardware are very very similar to what helps the new kit. So, in reality, we're getting a next gen platform if devs want to target it _and_ a straight speed bump if they don't want to move to the new API and lose backwards compatiblity.

Also consider, that the MBX GPU in the previous phones is the bottom level tech from powervr and was already a few years old when the iPhone came out. Now that Apple have tested the water with this it's clear that they want the latest and greatest to move forward.

]]> By: Flash http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-308522 Flash Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:42:00 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-308522 The issue is not that nVidia may come out with some device later this year, for Apple. The issue is that other SGX platforms are _already_ out there and outperform the existing iPhone. The new 3GS is backwards compatible and the optimizations for the previous gen hardware are very very similar to what helps the new kit. So, in reality, we're getting a next gen platform if devs want to target it _and_ a straight speed bump if they don't want to move to the new API and lose backwards compatiblity. Also consider, that the MBX GPU in the previous phones is the bottom level tech from powervr and was already a few years old when the iPhone came out. Now that Apple have tested the water with this it's clear that they want the latest and greatest to move forward. The issue is not that nVidia may come out with some device later this year, for Apple. The issue is that other SGX platforms are _already_ out there and outperform the existing iPhone. The new 3GS is backwards compatible and the optimizations for the previous gen hardware are very very similar to what helps the new kit. So, in reality, we're getting a next gen platform if devs want to target it _and_ a straight speed bump if they don't want to move to the new API and lose backwards compatiblity.

Also consider, that the MBX GPU in the previous phones is the bottom level tech from powervr and was already a few years old when the iPhone came out. Now that Apple have tested the water with this it's clear that they want the latest and greatest to move forward.

]]> By: Aaron http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-24919 Aaron Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:31:35 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-24919 Something I read over at AI struck me, though, concerning the graphics of the new hardware/software -- it's backwards compatible w/ 1.1, so anything written for the 2.0 graphics will also run on 1.1 w/ just 1.1 abilities. That means there's no more of a fracture than there currently is in iPhone OS apps. (Man, I wish Apple would change the name to Mobile Mac OS or something.... We poor touch users seem to get the short-end of the stick.) Something I read over at AI struck me, though, concerning the graphics of the new hardware/software -- it's backwards compatible w/ 1.1, so anything written for the 2.0 graphics will also run on 1.1 w/ just 1.1 abilities. That means there's no more of a fracture than there currently is in iPhone OS apps. (Man, I wish Apple would change the name to Mobile Mac OS or something.... We poor touch users seem to get the short-end of the stick.)

]]> By: Aaron http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-308521 Aaron Wed, 10 Jun 2009 16:31:00 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-308521 Something I read over at AI struck me, though, concerning the graphics of the new hardware/software -- it's backwards compatible w/ 1.1, so anything written for the 2.0 graphics will also run on 1.1 w/ just 1.1 abilities. That means there's no more of a fracture than there currently is in iPhone OS apps. (Man, I wish Apple would change the name to Mobile Mac OS or something.... We poor touch users seem to get the short-end of the stick.) Something I read over at AI struck me, though, concerning the graphics of the new hardware/software -- it's backwards compatible w/ 1.1, so anything written for the 2.0 graphics will also run on 1.1 w/ just 1.1 abilities. That means there's no more of a fracture than there currently is in iPhone OS apps. (Man, I wish Apple would change the name to Mobile Mac OS or something.... We poor touch users seem to get the short-end of the stick.)

]]> By: TKO http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-24906 TKO Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:45:34 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-24906 Wow, way to start the conversation with a needless whine. ..This is early days for Apple in the cellphone market. Android and Palm are making serious moves .. RIM, Nokia, and Microsoft are fumbling right now, but I wouldn't count them all out. Now is not the time to sit about and try to profit lazily ..especially with carriers like AT&T hobbling ya. Apple made the mistake of going for profit instead of market share (to quote Steve) in their worst days before his return and the iMac .. and that seemed as bad as Palm was at just before they announced the Pre. They've shown how well the aggressive innovation model can work with the iPod, and I expect them to do exactly the same with the iTouch devices. If you can't keep up with the pace they need to work at to stake their claim in the cellphone space, then stick with the paltry 20 million or whatever-it-is iTouch devices of this generation. They'll still buy stuff. Meanwhile there's work to be done winning more people over to these increasingly awesome phones, and keeping the competition on the back foot. I'll take that ride. Hope to see most of you guys coming along too. Wow, way to start the conversation with a needless whine. ..This is early days for Apple in the cellphone market. Android and Palm are making serious moves .. RIM, Nokia, and Microsoft are fumbling right now, but I wouldn't count them all out. Now is not the time to sit about and try to profit lazily ..especially with carriers like AT&T hobbling ya.

Apple made the mistake of going for profit instead of market share (to quote Steve) in their worst days before his return and the iMac .. and that seemed as bad as Palm was at just before they announced the Pre. They've shown how well the aggressive innovation model can work with the iPod, and I expect them to do exactly the same with the iTouch devices.

If you can't keep up with the pace they need to work at to stake their claim in the cellphone space, then stick with the paltry 20 million or whatever-it-is iTouch devices of this generation. They'll still buy stuff. Meanwhile there's work to be done winning more people over to these increasingly awesome phones, and keeping the competition on the back foot. I'll take that ride. Hope to see most of you guys coming along too.

]]> By: TKO http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-308520 TKO Wed, 10 Jun 2009 12:45:00 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-308520 Wow, way to start the conversation with a needless whine. ..This is early days for Apple in the cellphone market. Android and Palm are making serious moves .. RIM, Nokia, and Microsoft are fumbling right now, but I wouldn't count them all out. Now is not the time to sit about and try to profit lazily ..especially with carriers like AT&T hobbling ya. Apple made the mistake of going for profit instead of market share (to quote Steve) in their worst days before his return and the iMac .. and that seemed as bad as Palm was at just before they announced the Pre. They've shown how well the aggressive innovation model can work with the iPod, and I expect them to do exactly the same with the iTouch devices. If you can't keep up with the pace they need to work at to stake their claim in the cellphone space, then stick with the paltry 20 million or whatever-it-is iTouch devices of this generation. They'll still buy stuff. Meanwhile there's work to be done winning more people over to these increasingly awesome phones, and keeping the competition on the back foot. I'll take that ride. Hope to see most of you guys coming along too. Wow, way to start the conversation with a needless whine. ..This is early days for Apple in the cellphone market. Android and Palm are making serious moves .. RIM, Nokia, and Microsoft are fumbling right now, but I wouldn't count them all out. Now is not the time to sit about and try to profit lazily ..especially with carriers like AT&T hobbling ya.

Apple made the mistake of going for profit instead of market share (to quote Steve) in their worst days before his return and the iMac .. and that seemed as bad as Palm was at just before they announced the Pre. They've shown how well the aggressive innovation model can work with the iPod, and I expect them to do exactly the same with the iTouch devices.

If you can't keep up with the pace they need to work at to stake their claim in the cellphone space, then stick with the paltry 20 million or whatever-it-is iTouch devices of this generation. They'll still buy stuff. Meanwhile there's work to be done winning more people over to these increasingly awesome phones, and keeping the competition on the back foot. I'll take that ride. Hope to see most of you guys coming along too.

]]> By: it's friday man http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-24893 it's friday man Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:04:47 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-24893 oops hit submit too early. I meant to finish with: You can't stop progress, but you can choose to take things at your own pace. And if you're patient like that, then at least you can see what's coming before you shell out. oops hit submit too early. I meant to finish with:

You can't stop progress, but you can choose to take things at your own pace.

And if you're patient like that, then at least you can see what's coming before you shell out.

]]> By: it's friday man http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-308519 it's friday man Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:04:00 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-308519 oops hit submit too early. I meant to finish with: You can't stop progress, but you can choose to take things at your own pace. And if you're patient like that, then at least you can see what's coming before you shell out. oops hit submit too early. I meant to finish with:

You can't stop progress, but you can choose to take things at your own pace.

And if you're patient like that, then at least you can see what's coming before you shell out.

]]> By: it's friday man http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-24892 it's friday man Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:02:07 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-24892 @spiffy The life cycle of old technology is longer than you think, and it will always survive progress. Are you a Steam user? Have you ever completed one of their surveys, then looked at the results? There's an amazing number of people playing games over Steam with ancient hardware. PC owners kicked up a fuss when Crysis was released because of the requirements, but at the end of the day they're fussing over nothing more than petty indignation. PS2 games still sell in volume to this day, and 3G owners won't be left in the dark by business-savvy developers. If people continue to buy them, developers will keep making them. My brother owns an old Mini Cooper, and it's a wreck. But it works and despite not being an Aston Martin, I think it's very cool, and worth what he paid for it. @spiffy

The life cycle of old technology is longer than you think, and it will always survive progress.

Are you a Steam user? Have you ever completed one of their surveys, then looked at the results? There's an amazing number of people playing games over Steam with ancient hardware.

PC owners kicked up a fuss when Crysis was released because of the requirements, but at the end of the day they're fussing over nothing more than petty indignation.

PS2 games still sell in volume to this day, and 3G owners won't be left in the dark by business-savvy developers.

If people continue to buy them, developers will keep making them.

My brother owns an old Mini Cooper, and it's a wreck. But it works and despite not being an Aston Martin, I think it's very cool, and worth what he paid for it.

]]> By: it's friday man http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-308518 it's friday man Wed, 10 Jun 2009 11:02:00 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-308518 @spiffy The life cycle of old technology is longer than you think, and it will always survive progress. Are you a Steam user? Have you ever completed one of their surveys, then looked at the results? There's an amazing number of people playing games over Steam with ancient hardware. PC owners kicked up a fuss when Crysis was released because of the requirements, but at the end of the day they're fussing over nothing more than petty indignation. PS2 games still sell in volume to this day, and 3G owners won't be left in the dark by business-savvy developers. If people continue to buy them, developers will keep making them. My brother owns an old Mini Cooper, and it's a wreck. But it works and despite not being an Aston Martin, I think it's very cool, and worth what he paid for it. @spiffy

The life cycle of old technology is longer than you think, and it will always survive progress.

Are you a Steam user? Have you ever completed one of their surveys, then looked at the results? There's an amazing number of people playing games over Steam with ancient hardware.

PC owners kicked up a fuss when Crysis was released because of the requirements, but at the end of the day they're fussing over nothing more than petty indignation.

PS2 games still sell in volume to this day, and 3G owners won't be left in the dark by business-savvy developers.

If people continue to buy them, developers will keep making them.

My brother owns an old Mini Cooper, and it's a wreck. But it works and despite not being an Aston Martin, I think it's very cool, and worth what he paid for it.

]]> By: Texazzpete http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-24881 Texazzpete Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:26:48 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-24881 To be honest, i find it shocking that people here are complaining about progress. As we speak, competing appstores from Nokia, Microsoft, Android and Blackberry are in existence, each offering lots of games. Phones based on Nvidia\'s awesome Tegra GPU should arrive late this year. Add to that Marvell\'s stated intetion to equip phones with a GPU \'more powerful than that found in iPhones\' and you\'ve got some real competition. Given this, why would you whine when real progress comes? The sooner the message comes that the iPhone is a legit gaming handheld to reckon with, the better for us consumers. Go over to symbian forums and see the growing despair as the iPhone games easily outperform the software rendered games on the Ngage platform. Do you really want us to fall in that same category, watchig in envy as visually superior titles appear on other platforms? Go take a look at NFS on Ngage, compare it with NFS on the iPhone and see what a better GPU can do. To be honest, i find it shocking that people here are complaining about progress. As we speak, competing appstores from Nokia, Microsoft, Android and Blackberry are in existence, each offering lots of games. Phones based on Nvidia\'s awesome Tegra GPU should arrive late this year. Add to that Marvell\'s stated intetion to equip phones with a GPU \'more powerful than that found in iPhones\' and you\'ve got some real competition.
Given this, why would you whine when real progress comes? The sooner the message comes that the iPhone is a legit gaming handheld to reckon with, the better for us consumers.
Go over to symbian forums and see the growing despair as the iPhone games easily outperform the software rendered games on the Ngage platform. Do you really want us to fall in that same category, watchig in envy as visually superior titles appear on other platforms?

Go take a look at NFS on Ngage, compare it with NFS on the iPhone and see what a better GPU can do.

]]> By: Texazzpete http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-308517 Texazzpete Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:26:00 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-308517 To be honest, i find it shocking that people here are complaining about progress. As we speak, competing appstores from Nokia, Microsoft, Android and Blackberry are in existence, each offering lots of games. Phones based on Nvidia's awesome Tegra GPU should arrive late this year. Add to that Marvell's stated intetion to equip phones with a GPU 'more powerful than that found in iPhones' and you've got some real competition. Given this, why would you whine when real progress comes? The sooner the message comes that the iPhone is a legit gaming handheld to reckon with, the better for us consumers. Go over to symbian forums and see the growing despair as the iPhone games easily outperform the software rendered games on the Ngage platform. Do you really want us to fall in that same category, watchig in envy as visually superior titles appear on other platforms? Go take a look at NFS on Ngage, compare it with NFS on the iPhone and see what a better GPU can do. To be honest, i find it shocking that people here are complaining about progress. As we speak, competing appstores from Nokia, Microsoft, Android and Blackberry are in existence, each offering lots of games. Phones based on Nvidia's awesome Tegra GPU should arrive late this year. Add to that Marvell's stated intetion to equip phones with a GPU 'more powerful than that found in iPhones' and you've got some real competition.
Given this, why would you whine when real progress comes? The sooner the message comes that the iPhone is a legit gaming handheld to reckon with, the better for us consumers.
Go over to symbian forums and see the growing despair as the iPhone games easily outperform the software rendered games on the Ngage platform. Do you really want us to fall in that same category, watchig in envy as visually superior titles appear on other platforms?

Go take a look at NFS on Ngage, compare it with NFS on the iPhone and see what a better GPU can do.

]]> By: Texazzpete http://toucharcade.com/2009/06/09/developer-reactions-to-the-new-iphone-3g-s/#comment-24880 Texazzpete Wed, 10 Jun 2009 07:21:48 +0000 http://toucharcade.com/?p=9857#comment-24880 To be honest, i find it shocking that people here are complaining about progress. As we speak, competing appstores from Nokia, Microsoft, Android and Blackberry are in existence, each offering lots of games. Phones based on Nvidia's awesome Tegra GPU should arrive late this year. Add to that Marvell's stated intetion to equip phones with a GPU 'more powerful than that found in iPhones' and you've got some real competition. Given this, why would you whine when real progress comes? The sooner the message comes that the iPhone is a legit gaming handheld to reckon with, the better for us consumers. Go over to symbian forums and see the growing despair as the iPhone games easily outperform the software rendered games on the Ngage platform. Do you really want us to fall in that same category, watchig in envy as visually superior titles appear on other platforms? Go take a look at NFS on Ngage, compare it with NFS on the iPhone and see what a better GPU can do. To be honest, i find it shocking that people here are complaining about progress. As we speak, competing appstores from Nokia, Microsoft, Android and Blackberry are in existence, each offering lots of games. Phones based on Nvidia's awesome Tegra GPU should arrive late this year. Add to that Marvell's stated intetion to equip phones with a GPU 'more powerful than that found in iPhones' and you've got some real competition.
Given this, why would you whine when real progress comes? The sooner the message comes that the iPhone is a legit gaming handheld to reckon with, the better for us consumers.
Go over to symbian forums and see the growing despair as the iPhone games easily outperform the software rendered games on the Ngage platform. Do you really want us to fall in that same category, watchig in envy as visually superior titles appear on other platforms?

Go take a look at NFS on Ngage, compare it with NFS on the iPhone and see what a better GPU can do.

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